HomeMy WebLinkAbout10-21-1996 Combined Meeting
CALLED MEETING AND COMMISSION-COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PUBLIC HEARING October 21, 1996
Augusta-Richmond
County Commission convened at 5:21 p.m., Monday, October 21, 1996, the
Honorable Larry E. Sconyers, Mayor, presiding.
PRESENT: Hons. Beard, Bridges, J. Brigham, Handy, Mays, Powell, Todd
and Zetterberg, members of Augusta-Richmond County Commission.
ABSENT: Hons. H. Brigham and Kuhlke, members of Augusta-
Richmond County Commission.
Also present were Lena Bonner, Clerk of Commission-Council; James B.
Wall, Augusta-Richmond County Attorney; and Cathy Pirtle, Certified Court
Reporter.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to
the Augusta-Richmond County Board of Commissioners Special Called Meeting.
We're going to have the Invocation by the Reverend Max Hicks, and if you'll
remain standing we'll have the Pledge of Allegiance.
THE INVOCATION WAS GIVEN BY THE REVEREND HICKS.
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WAS RECITED.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Thank you, Reverend Hicks. Ms. Bonner, do you want to
call the first order of business, please?
CLERK: Yes, sir. A Resolution to provide for the acquisition by
redemption payment or otherwise by Richmond County in all of Richmond County
water and sewer revenue bond series, and finalizing the terms of the Series
1996A, Series 1996B bonds and the Series 1997 bonds, and for other purposes.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Wall?
MR. WALL: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, this is a bond
resolution, which is the first step insofar as proceeding with the proposed
bond -- revenue bond issuance. This was advertised both as a public hearing
and a called meeting, and the purpose of the public hearing was to respond to
any questions and to be sure that everyone understood the terms of this. And
I think Mr. McKie has a presentation insofar as briefly outlining the plan of
financing and what is to be proposed, and I ask, Mayor, that you recognize him
and let him explain the process.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. McKie?
MR. McKIE: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The presentation that we have for you
looks like this [indicates report], and it's an outline of what we'd like to
do.
I'll go straight to the Plan of Finance, which is on Page 5. The
purpose of the issue is to consolidate our debt into a series of level
payments in order that we can streamline operations, change our cash flow to
better benefit the operations of the Waterworks and, in fact, to produce a
small net present value cash flow savings. Additionally, we have projects
totaling some $42.7 million that are presented as new projects as a part of a
five-year capital improvement program of some $62 million. On Page 6 is a
brief outline of the capital restructuring that we're doing. We have existing
Richmond County Series '91, '87 and '86, and City of Augusta Series '91 and
'72. We're going to consolidate those into one payment of three new series,
one issue. The 1996A issue is the new projects and refunding of the Augusta
Series '91 and Richmond County '91 and '72. Now, the reason why these are --
we have three different series here is because of some tax reasons. We have
refunded the Richmond County '87 Series the limited number of times, so that
issue will be taxable and it has to be separate from the other issues.
What this issue does is pledge the net revenues of the water and sewer system.
It has a rate covenant that we will maintain debt coverage of 1.1 times the
senior debt, which will be this series of bonds. Our Debt Service Reserve Fund
will be maintained at maximum annual debt service.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Butch, what does that mean?
MR. McKIE: I'm sorry, what, the --
MR. ZETTERBERG: The rate covenant, 1.10x senior lien debt service.
MR. McKIE: Okay. The amount of the debt service, let's say it's $5
million a year, then we will maintain operating income of 1.1 times that, so
$5,500,000. We're saying that we will provide the ability to pay the debt plus
10%. And to do that, we --
MR. ZETTERBERG: So you pay that down?
MR. McKIE: We'll pay it down on the amortization schedule.
MR. ZETTERBERG: At 1.1?
MR. McKIE: Oh, no, sir. We'll amortize it on a level principal and
interest basis, but this means that our income will have to be -- we promise
to sustain our income to be more than what that debt is. So if we owe --
whatever we owe in debt service, we promise to either cut costs or raise rates
or sell more water so that we'll make enough income to pay the debt and have
10% left over. Our coverage right now --
MR. ZETTERBERG: What do we normally have? A lot more than that.
MR. McKIE: Right now it's 8. We expect that it will be at 3.5 after
this. So this promises really one-third of what our normal -- one-eighth of
what our normal rates are. This is a industry-wide common number that we're
agreeing to.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Okay.
MR. McKIE: Should we desire to issue additional bonds during the term
of these bonds, we will have an additional bonds test, which will mean that
our historic and projected net earnings would have to be 1.25 times any debt
service for any new bonds. So if we wanted to issue another $1 million a year
in bonds, then we would have to show that our income would be $1,250,000 a
year in order to pay for that. Again, these are normal industry rates and our
totals at this time are several multiples of that.
On Page 8 is a very simplified version of the flow of funds, that is,
the chief language in the resolution. But basically, we're going to take our
system revenues, all of those will flow into a revenue fund, and at the end of
the month the revenue collected from that fund will be disbursed according to
the priority of payments in the lower left-hand box. First we'll pay for
operations and maintenance costs; second, we'll set aside an amount necessary
for debt service; and, third, we will leave in the Waterworks operating fund--
we're calling it the Utility General Fund, not to be confused with the
government's General Fund--the residual of revenues collected. Now, in
doing that, we promise to maintain a minimum fund balance of the lesser of
$2 million or 5% of revenues of the system for the prior fiscal year at all
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times--our retained earnings at this time is some $35 million, so we're well
over that 2--and to limit transfers to the county's General Fund until
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everything else has been provided for. And there is a schedule of transfers
that we've talked about in the past: would be, I believe, 6.7 this year, 5.2
--
MR. WALL: 3.7.
MR. McKIE: 3.7, 2.5, and then after that we still have 2.5 each year if
you choose to do it. That would be the maximum. There has been some
discussion about whether or not you want to close it out all together. I'm
not sure if we can have an open and closed fund at the same time, but if you
don't like the 2.5 and you effectively want to close it, then you could change
that $2.5 million to one dollar. So you can set that number after four years
to anything you desire and effectively close the fund.
MR. WALL: And you can do it on a calendar basis, too.
MR. BRIDGES: Butch, can I ask a question? Maybe this is of Jim, but
didn't -- I think I got a fax from you that said that after ever how many
years that we can close it, it just has to remain closed; is that right?
MR. WALL: That's correct. Once it's closed it would forever remain
closed.
MR. BRIDGES: And that's the one I hope we'll do. Because I understand
you've got to wean the urban side off of this thing, but what my fear is, that
somewhere down the road in the future, you know, this august group here won't
be on the board and another group will be there that doesn't remember the
financial problems that the old city got into using the water funds. And I'd
like to see us after, say, the Year 2000 or in the Year 2000 to just close it
off and from there it be closed out and strictly used for water and sewer.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Can that be in the language?
MR. McKIE: Yes, sir, it can be in the resolution.
MR. WALL: And it would need to be included in the resolution if, in
fact, that's what you wanted to do in order to make it binding.
MR. BRIDGES: Well, we'll vote -- in other words, we'll have time to
vote on that today then?
MR. WALL: Well, if that is the direction that the Commission wants to
take, what I would ask that you do, it would just be one page that would
change, and that's Page V-8, and --
MR. BRIDGES: Number (e) there.
MR. WALL: Yes, sir. Well, it'd be that last part there, I guess, that
last sentence.
MR. BRIDGES: Yeah.
MR. WALL: And I would ask that you would approve the resolution with
the provision that it would be closed at whatever point in time y'all decide,
and that I be authorized to substitute a page upon it being revised.
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor?
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Todd?
MR. TODD: I'd just like to make a quick comment and we'll discuss it
later. In the sense that this is going to the new government's General Fund
and not being designated to any particular designation, then I like the
methodology of changing it to one dollar later, and I would assume that you
can change it back up to the maximum amount. So I don't see this as something
that we're using to subsidize the urban service district operation but it's
going to the General Fund. And we're going to be next year one fund, one
General Fund, to pay for everything; therefore, it's not to do tax avoidance
or whatever as far as any specific service district.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Bridges?
MR. BRIDGES: Mr. Todd, my fear there is if we go with one dollar or 5%,
whichever is less, at some future date before these bonds are paid off -- it's
my fear and it's, I guess, a fear of government that I guess I have, is that a
future commission may not have been through the experience that we've been
through here in the past few years and that they may change it from one dollar
to $2,500 or some other amount. And so what I'm trying to do is to keep that
from happening in the future and keep the city in the future, you know,
10/15/20 years down the road, from being in the financial straps that we've
experienced in the past.
So I guess it's sort of like Thomas Jefferson said, you chain the
government down with the chains of the Constitution, and I'd like to chain,
you know, this government down with the chains of this resolution and close it
out after the Year 2000. And I guess we can go ahead and discuss the other
aspects and bring that back --make the resolution at that time, Jim, would
that be the proper time to do it?
MR. WALL: Yes, sir, I think so.
MR. McKIE: On Page 9 of my little presentation is a preliminary source
and use of funds, and I'd like to call your attention to a couple of numbers
on there. Of course, the top amount is the amount of the bonds that we're
going to sell. The fourth number down, '72 and '91 DSRF, those are our
existing debt service reserves. That's cash we have in the bank right now.
We're going to close those out and use those in our refunding at the bottom.
The uses, $39,771,000 is for our project list. Now, you'll see when you
look at the list of projects we have $42.7 million. The difference is the
interest that we expect to earn while these projects are under construction
and we have this money invested on forward contracts. The last item,
refunding escrow, $18,438,000 is the amount that we will place with an escrow
agent in order to pay off the existing $28 million debt that we have. And, of
course, from today until those debts are paid, that will earn interest and
that's why we have only to borrow $18 million instead of the 28. The surety
bond, above there, is to make sure the escrow agent does that. So those three
series are there. On Page 12 is a graphical presentation of our aggregate
debt service after the issuance of the bond. You see it's -- it'll be a level
term until the year 2027, at which time the bonds will be paid off. This will
allow us a much better -- we'll be able to plan our budgeting in capital
projects much better with this level debt service than the wild swings we had
in the past. As it stands now, we had some very heavy debt payments coming
due in the next three years, which when they were issued -- or refunded back
years ago they were on the order of balloon payments. No one at that time
anticipated either of the two events that have overtaken us, consolidation and
the draining of the renewal and extension funds from the city Waterworks, so
having this level debt service and adding the projects is actually less debt
over the next four years than we would have paid out without the bond issue.
So what we've done with that is use that to increase our renewal and extension
and to bring us away from our transfers to the city's General Fund, so this
refunding is helping in that regard as well as cutting costs. Any questions
so far?
MR. POWELL: Mr. McKie, in addition to it cutting the overall debt
service to the citizens, is it going to lower fees as far as tapping fees and
stuff?
MR. McKIE: Yes, sir, we have discussed that in the past. One of the
provisions that -- one of our existing bond issues requires a rather high
additional tap fee. Now, when that bond issue is defeased, that goes away,
and you'll be at liberty to set a new fee. That fee is somewhat different in
the county and the city, so you really will need to set those on a consistent
basis.
MR. HANDY: That was the question I was just going to ask. Since we
have a fee on there and they have it because of the water system, now once
we're combined as one, then that's no longer -- that's null and void and we
got to start all over again far as setting fees?
MR. McKIE: Yes, sir. The basic difference in the city and the county
is how you get to the other side of the road. In the county, if you live on
the side of the road opposite from the sewer line or water line you have to
pay to go underneath it and contact it. If you live on the same side as the
line you're in luck and you don't pay for it. So there's $200 difference
depending on where you live. In the city, the city charges the same rate no
matter which side you live on. Basically we would, I think, recommend that we
adopt something like that, because the government --or the utility chose which
side of the road they were going to put the line on, thereby disadvantaging
probably half the people, those who live on the other side of the street. So
it'd be revenue neutral to us, but certainly would be fair to those people who
have to pay or would have to pay.
If there are no questions about the financing, the next section is The
Project, and I'd ask Max Hicks to take us through that part.
MR. HICKS: We have selected projects that will benefit the entire area.
We have funds under the water and the sewer which we call extension to
unserved areas. I'll address the water supply systems, and then ask Tom
Wiedmeier to address the sewer supply.
The first, the baffling and repiping of the clearwells, that's at the
filter plant at Highland Avenue. This is work that needs to be done in order
to have that facility meet EPA requirements so far as contact time for
chlorination. So this is a project that's needed, and it will benefit the
entire distribution system.
Then improvements to connect the urban and suburban systems. As we have
mentioned before, there are at least four points right now that we know of
that we're going to connect, and then there are others where we have even
longer lines that we'll need to put in. And that $2,500,000 is to allow the
water to flow more freely from the former urban to the suburban section and
reduce the demand on the area of interface and thereby allow the well system
to serve the area even better in the middle. Now, the next is the
Kimberly-Clark wellfield and 10 Mgd treatment plant. That is a wellfield that
will be located on the eastern side of Highway 56 south of Horseshoe Loop
Road, in the area south and east of the elevated water tank that's down there.
The 10 Mgd treatment facility will either be located near the elevated tank
or we'd really like for it to be located down near McBean if it could be
located just as easily there. That would give a better distribution of water
into that area, and that would reduce the draw on the existing two plants for
that area of the county. And so we feel like with these improvements that
we've talked about, the connection of urban and suburban and this Kimberly-
Clark wellfield, that we will effectively eliminate the water shortage
situations and improve the flow.
MR. BRIDGES: The 10--I guess that's supposed to be gallons--Mgd
treatment plant --
MR. HICKS: Yes, sir.
MR. BRIDGES: -- that would be similar to the Messerly plant?
MR. HICKS: No, sir, that's a water treatment plant. It would be like
the water plant that's located there at Four-H Club Road.
MR. BRIDGES: I got you. All right.
MR. HICKS: Yes, sir. And then the new 60-inch raw water line -- as
you're well aware, that 42-inch water line broke last year. We need a
replacement line. We went ahead and put a 60-inch line in here to meet our
needs for the considerable future years and give reliability of supply. That
would be a ductal iron pipe and it would run along an alternate route from
where the others go. Then a 1 MG elevated storage tank, that would be off of
Wheeler Road, out in the High Point area just before you get to Columbia
County. That's one of the fastest growing areas in the county insofar as
office complexes and facilities of that type. Then we have $1 million for
extension to unserved areas. This is to extend water lines to systems that
perhaps would need it.
And let me point this out, and I know Tom will point it out also under
the sewer aspect of it, there will be a number of areas that you perhaps will
be interested in having water lines extended to. Under this bond program
there will be money in the renewal and extension fund each year by which we
can handle extensions to unserved areas even though they might not be under
the bond issue.
MR. BEARD: Max, I'd just like to ask, will this qualify all areas of
the county? And I'm speaking of especially in the -- out there off of Barton
Chapel Road and that area. Because we had someone in the other meeting
talking about the lines were not adequate, that they could not get their
supply of water there, and there's no sewerage in that area and going on out
to Belair Hills Estate and that area. Now, once we do this, is this going to
satisfy all areas? And I'm particularly asking about that area.
MR. HICKS: If you wanted to use, say, a portion of this $1 million
insofar as extension to unserved areas, Belair Hills would be one you could
indeed consider. That's an area that years ago got caught in the city-county
crunch, and it was a development in the county and the water lines were city
and so the subdivision suffered.
MR. BEARD: What do you mean by if we want to consider it?
MR. HICKS: Well, right now, see, this is undesignated, this $1 million,
and so that would be a project that could be used with this or you might want
to designate renewal and extension funds. See, this is not the only source of
money we'll have to extend water and sewer lines, but we could also serve that
with renewal and extension.
MR. BEARD: What kind of time -- no matter where the money is coming
from, I understand you're saying we have it there, what kind of time line can
we tell people in those areas, unserved areas, that they can be expecting
that?
MR. HICKS: If you were to decide to do it, the design time would be
very short for extending water lines. Say, maybe two months for design time
and then maybe four or five months for construction time, you'd be looking at
the middle of next year, toward the last quarter of next year and they'd have
water out there. Those would be easily. Excuse me, I don't mean to take your
place, Mr. Mayor.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Zetterberg, then Mr. Todd.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Since I don't have a very good grasp of all the
unserved areas in the county, does this --is this comprehensive? I mean, can
we do everything we want to do and extend water and sewer?
MR. HICKS: Not to everybody, no, sir.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Okay. Now, what would that bill look like?
MR. HICKS: Oh, my goodness. Well, in the former urban area alone we
had about 5 or 6 million dollars worth of lines that would be of that
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nature, and in the county I know it would be at least that much or more. We
would probably be talking about, I'd say 10 to 15 million dollars more to do
that. We'll have to approach that on an ongoing basis.
MR. ZETTERBERG: But the only way you're going to do that over -- in
time -- anytime soon would be to put into a bond issue, isn't it? I mean,
what was sacred about $42 million in the bond?
MR. McKIE: Just the total level of debt that we could pay.
MR. ZETTERBERG: That's all you could service, is $42 million? That was
the --
MR. McKIE: Yes, sir, so that we could balance our renewal and
extension, our ongoing capital, and provide a steady stream of 5 to 6 million
a year for that.
MR. WALL: Butch, why don't you mention the three-year construction
limitation.
MR. McKIE: Right. Additionally, for tax exempt bonds you would have to
begin --
CLERK: Butch, they can't hear you back here.
MR. McKIE: For this type of financing where we're using tax exempt
bonds, we have to begin construction within three years and complete it within
five, so there's a certain physical capacity and restraints on what we can do.
MR. ZETTERBERG: So there's debt structure and length of time of
construction?
MR. McKIE: Yes, sir. And --
MR. ZETTERBERG: I'd like to see that sometime, Max, really what we're
talking about to bring water to everybody in the entire area -- water and
sewerage.
MR. HICKS: Yes, sir. We had an overall meeting of that sort I guess
about February or March. Commissioner Powell called us all together and we
laid out all the projects like that that we had in mind so that we would have
coordination between storm sewer, sanitary sewer, water lines, and there was -
- it was quite an expenditure. I'll be glad to share that with you.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Okay. Thank you.
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor?
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Todd?
MR. TODD: I think when we're talking about Barton Chapel Road between
Wrightsboro Road and Gordon Highway, we have water but no sewerage, and we're
talking about inadequate water lines to supply firetrucks as far as fire
hydrants go, and we operate tankers from the Barton Chapel Road area. Now, I
can understand the need to upgrade to the size line that we would need to help
those folks out as far as their insurance go and also to catch all those
pockets as far as sewerage go.
There's pockets from Meadowbrook Drive to Belair -- Wrightsboro
Road/Belair, back over to Washington Road, areas in there where we have
pockets where folks don't have sewerage and they're on septic tanks; and also
in the Boykin Road area, back in that area, you know, et cetera, Sand Ridge.
And we need to catch those, but I don't think that we need to sit here and
think that we're going to give every citizen in Richmond County sewerage--it's
not practical or feasible--or every citizen in Richmond County water. There
is folks that's out in deep rural South Richmond that we're not going to be
able to pipe water to probably in the next ten years. But when we're talking
about in the developed areas, then certainly we should make every effort to
give them water and to give them sewerage.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Handy?
MR. HANDY: Yes, sir. Mr. Hicks, I just got one simple question. When
we make all these tie-ins to the county system or the city system -- I'm just
sitting here thinking. Now, we know we're going to get well water and we're
going to get surface water all mixed together.
MR. HICKS: Yes, sir.
MR. HANDY: Is there any way of knowing -- not say where the water is
coming from, because it's all the same water, but far as the treatment part of
it, or basically all the treatment is done continuously?
MR. HICKS: It's continuously.
MR. HANDY: I mean, both systems is treated the same way and you
couldn't tell is the water coming from the well or the water coming from the
river once it's mixed together, that's what I'm asking.
MR. HICKS: That's basically correct. Once they're treated they're both
to a pH of about seven-three. Insofar as their hardness, they're both fairly
soft waters. Even the water coming out of the ground doesn't have a lot of
mineral content. So they would be basically indistinguishable once you got
them into the system.
MR. HANDY: Both would be compatible to each other, so they won't --
MR. HICKS: Yes, sir, they would be.
MR. HANDY: I was just thinking whether or not we had to do some type of
extra treatment because of the mixture from the well as far as the river and
the system. I'm just asking something crazy, you know.
MR. HICKS: No, sir, that's a legitimate question. If it were that the
waters from the county were very hard, high in mineral content, that sort of
thing, it might pose a problem, but it's not.
MR. HANDY: Okay. Thank you.
MR. HICKS: Okay, that finishes the water portion. And, Tom, would you
like to give --
MR. WIEDMEIER: The Wastewater related projects are pretty much balanced
between renewal and extension. The renewal projects are mostly focused on the
major trunk sewer lines: the Rae's Creek, Spirit Creek, Butler and Rocky
Creek trunk lines. The extension projects are three separate projects that
will serve the Kimberly-Clark industrial site, that 1,500 acre site, and take
that over to the Messerly plant for treatment, and then there's an extension
of the RCCI trunk sewer off the Spirit Creek line. There are also two
projects that are located at the Wastewater Treatment Plant, one being
rehabilitation of the plant's main lift station and the other is the odor
control project at the plant.
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor?
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Todd, then Mr. Bridges.
MR. TODD: We haven't decided on a technology or a lock down on a
technology as far as the odor control, have we?
MR. WIEDMEIER: No, sir. I would recommend that a study be performed by
a firm that's done odor control before and let them recommend the technology.
MR. TODD: Yes. Certainly I'm for the odor control, but I don't want to
experiment with a technology, I want to go with a sound technology. And
there's plants that have -- that's implemented odor control, even where they
burn sewerage, like Washington, D.C., et cetera. So certainly I support it,
but I think that we need to go with a proven technology, my comments there.
Now, on the areas where we have spotted areas where we don't have sewerage,
I'm assuming that the expansion money is there for that?
MR. WIEDMEIER: Yes, sir, there is. There is $2 million to get unserved
areas for sanitary sewer. One of the things that we were hoping to do in the
near future is bring back to the committee and Commission all the pockets of
unsewered areas and then ask for help in prioritizing the sewering of those
areas.
MR. TODD: Yes. What's the time table of that initiative -- time line?
MR. WIEDMEIER: 30 to 60 days, I would guess.
MR. TODD: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Thank you. Mr. Bridges?
MR. BRIDGES: Tom, on this RCCI trunk line sewer extension, where will
that run? Will that run from 56 Spur, down Tobacco Road, across 25? Will
that area be serviced by that sewerage line? What I'm asking is I understand
we're losing restaurants at 25 and Tobacco Road because there's no sewerage
there, and would that alleviate that?
MR. WIEDMEIER: Yes, this would get sewer very close to 25 and Tobacco
Road, and could be extended on over. The project that was designed and is
included comes off of Spirit Creek east of Highway 25, comes up, crosses 25,
and then follows that draw up to the prison. And it generally is running west
of Highway 25, but it could easily be extended on over to pick up that
intersection.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Any other questions? Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Max.
MR. McKIE: If you'll go to 17, please. Page 17. This is entitled The
System, but basically it's some information not about the technical aspects of
the system but about the customer base and some comparative rates, which we
are very proud of. On Page 18 and 19 are the ten largest sewer and water
customers. Now, the significance of this lies in the percentage--the right-
hand column--the percentage of the water revenues. The credit analysts like
to look at this and see how concentrated our customers are. The more
dispersals you have among your customers, the lower risk you have.
For example, if we had one customer that took 50% of our water and
something happened to it, we'd be in serious financial problems. As it is,
the top ten customers only take 13.9% of the water and the other 57,900-and-
whatever take the other 82%, so we are very widely dispersed and,
consequently, have a relatively low risk factor from that regard.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Or we don't have enough industry.
MR. McKIE: Right. On Page 20, typical monthly residential water and
sewer bills for selected cities in the area is calculated on 4,000 gallons per
month, and it represents our most current rates along with everyone else's.
Why ZEL calculated at 4,000 when our average is some 7,000 we don't know.
We're going to change this to show 7,000, because then we are significantly
lower than everyone else. At 4,000 we're only slightly lower than Aiken
(inside), but at 7,000 gallons we're some -- almost a dollar lower than they
are on the average bill. So we are lower than Aiken County or Columbia County
for residential water and sewer bills.
MR. WALL: Do you want to refer to this? [Mr. Wall proffers a report to
Mr. McKie.]
MR. McKIE: Oh, okay. Yeah, thank you. You can reference this on Page
16 of your engineering report, if you have that. On Graph 1 at the top of
Page 16, if you'll look over between 5 and 10 thousand gallons, and about two
of those marks over there would be 7,000 gallons, and you'll see the heavy
dark line would be our rates and everyone else's above us at that point. We
actually -- for this comparison in the book, the 4,000 gallons is one of the
worst spots we could have picked to compare. So for the more we use, the
better we are compared to other people -- to other cities and counties, and
I'm proud to say that's because of the rate structure we adopted, the
thickest, versus variable cost that goes out at that 45 degree angle. So the
same information can be seen on the bottom on the commercial size. And, Max,
do you -- is there an average commercial?
MR. ZETTERBERG: So there's definite advantages of living in the city;
right?
MR. McKIE: Right. So Pages 21 and 22 show our customers; and, again,
these are for the consolidated systems, water and sewer. Over on 23, 24, and
25 we begin to get into -- I'm sorry, we're back on my little flipchart now.
We begin to look at the level of capital -- water system capital improvement
projects. We'll look at water and sewer in total.
The white blocks on this graph represent what has been and what is
planned to be financed by the bond issue and by renewal and extension, or
internal cash. You see in '96, in our first year we're doing about $458,000.
The bond issue comes in -- and we are constructing these bond projects over
the next three years, but notice how we've also increased the renewal and
extension money going into capital projects. That's because we are cutting
down on the transfers to the General Fund and the fact that we have leveled
out our debt service. So you see by the Year 2000 we plan on being up to 2.7
per year for the water system alone in internally generated funds for capital.
And the same thing shows on the sewer side. We're at $1.8 million there by
the Year 2000, and it's totally internally generated. On Page 25 we go
back and look from '91 through '95, and see how we are swinging from a totally
debt oriented system to one that's beginning to provide for a combination of
cash and debt, and we hope to swing more toward the cash only as we go farther
out. The system budget for the year is on the next page to give them an
idea of the size of our system. We will -- at the time we go, we'll give them
an update on where we are, where our estimates are. The Finance Committee was
presented the third quarter numbers this afternoon, and I included those for
everyone else so you can take a look at those. But we're ahead of these
numbers at this point, and we expect to close out a very good year. The
next page over is just a summary from '91 through '95. We have the eight-
month numbers. I did not bring those. They were given to Robinson-Humphrey,
but they weren't put in this fax, so --but we'll have -- when we complete
this, we have a couple more things to go, we'll get you a new copy of it.
The next chart, 28, is just historic net operating income, to show how that's
grown except for '94. And your next page over after that should be--it'll
either be bound in your book or you'll have a loose page--the General Fund
transfer policy. That's probably the most, you know, important issue that
we've discussed in this next to the projects themselves. But this is the
official language, and it shows the schedule by which you may withdraw
amounts, not exceeding these amounts, and the required payments. Again, the
rest of the information after this is just CSO projects. On Page 34, Mr.
Zetterberg, the debt service coverage. You had asked earlier about that. '97
should be 7.9 times, and then we should level out about 3.5. And, of course,
as we go -- as our income grows and we set aside more funds, you know, that
really extends our ability to generate capital because we'll have more
internal plus this. The rest of this is just statistical information
that's really designed for the credit analysts in New York, for us to go up
and talk about how good we are and what a great place it is to live and how
our unemployment has come down, building permits are up, and that'll be easy
to do because we all feel that way. So I'll turn it back over to Mr. Wall
unless you have some more questions.
MR. WALL: Mr. Mayor, I know that based upon Mr. Bridges' comments there
may need to be some discussion about the transfers from the General Utility
Fund into the General Fund as expressed on Page V-8, but I would ask that you
consider for approval the bond resolution authorizing this financing as
amended as y'all choose to do so with regard to that one provision.
MR. BRIDGES: Mr. Mayor?
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Bridges?
MR. BRIDGES: I make the motion that this bond, I guess this is a
resolution, be approved with the exception of Page V-8, the beginning
paragraph there, Section (e), that that be changed to read--and this is for
the Year 2000 on--that that be changed to read "in each succeeding fiscal
year, no funds are to be drawn from the operating revenues of the system, and
the system is to be, from that point on, a closed system."
MR. POWELL: Second.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Motion by Mr. Bridges, seconded by Mr. Powell.
Discussion? Mr. Wall?
MR. WALL: Would Mr. Bridges add to that that the Attorney be authorized
to substitute pages?
MR. BRIDGES: I'm sorry, Jim, what was that?
MR. WALL: That the Attorney be authorized to substitute pages in the
original resolution so that we can begin the necessary advertising.
MR. BRIDGES: Yeah, I'd accept that as a part of the motion.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Todd?
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor, I'm concerned not that we have a open bond --
revenue bond where we can transfer money, but my main concern is where that
money is being transferred. If the money is being transferred to, as the
language was earlier on, you know, in just discussion, to do tax avoidance or
to pay off urban service district only operation costs, then I had a problem
with it and objected to it and had been very vocal in that objection to that.
But I'm not sure that I'm sold on the fact that if we somewhat have a cash
cow, that we're going to manage and make sure and put safeguards in that we
don't overspend the fund like a previous government. Then certainly if those
safeguards are in there, I think that we should go on and go with a open
revenue bond, and certainly if it's not going to cost us any more in interest
to do it that way. And I'd like to hear from the County Attorney or Mr. McKie
on whether it's going to cost us any more in debt service to do it that way.
MR. WALL: I'll let Butch address it. I mean, basically the rating
bureaus prefer to see a closed system. Now, whether or not this limitation
will be the equivalent of a closed system -- I don't know whether Butch has
got an opinion or not.
MR. McKIE: You can't almost be pregnant, you know, you've got to be one
way or the other. And being almost a closed system, you still will have a
$2 million gap out there. To be quite honest, I can't see, especially in
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view of where we've come from, that limiting this to $2 million in or out
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would make a lot of difference. It certainly would give them a lot more
confidence to know that you had summarily elected to close it period and it
would be that way forever more. That would give everyone in the market more
confidence. How they would react negatively if you left that $2 million in
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there, I can't say, but certainly I think you can say that it would not be as
well as if it were closed.
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor, I think that what we've got to keep in mind in
trying to look at the big picture, we have a telecommunications act that's
going to change the way that we collect franchise revenue. And I know that
we're banking on approximately 6 to 7 million dollars in franchise revenue for
next year and in the years to come. Well, it may be more than 7 million, you
know, per this new act or law, or it could be a heck of a lot less. We've got
to treat everybody the same, and I would hope that someone is up on this that
we don't get caught short. And those are my concerns, and I don't have any --
I'm going to go on and make a substitute motion that we adopt it as it is --
the resolution as it is in the book.
MR. MAYS: I'll second it to get it on the floor.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Did you second that, Mr. Mays?
MR. MAYS: I second it.
MAYOR SCONYERS: I have a motion by Mr. Todd, seconded by Mr. Mays.
That's a substitute motion. Discussion on that? Before we go any further, Mr.
Beard was next, then Mr. Powell, on the original motion.
MR. BEARD: Mr. Mayor, on the original motion, I'm just -- as long as we
have the safeguards in there, you know, I can kind of live with that with an
open system as far as I know it. I'm just a little reluctant of saying that
at one point in time we're going to close it and we can't open it again. I
thought I heard somewhere in here saying that, what, you could leave -- close
it with a dollar or something of that amount and set limits on that. I would
rather see that. I would just hate to think that down the years -- am I to
understand that if we close this it would be a permanent closure?
MR. WALL: Yes, if you close it, it would be a permanent closure. Now,
with it being limited with a dollar, I mean, you're effectively closing it at
that point if you put that kind of restriction in there. And this bond --
MR. BEARD: Well, I'm not -- I just asked that as a question, you know,
to see what can we do. Personally I'm just a little reluctant of binding
future generations into something at this point in time.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Maybe this is -- what would happen if --
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Powell was next. Mr. Powell?
MR. POWELL: Mr. Mayor, gentlemen, we have a responsibility to the
taxpayers of Augusta-Richmond County to be accountable. The citizens of
Augusta-Richmond County deserve that. All we're wanting to do is to preserve
the water money so that we can expand the system, maintain the system, and we
won't have episodes occurring of taking the water money and placing it in the
General Fund to compensate for mismanagement. That's all we're asking.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Zetterberg?
MR. ZETTERBERG: What happens if there's a catastrophic problem, an
earthquake, would that have an impact on our situation? Would a closed fund
cause us a problem?
MAYOR SCONYERS: Who wants to answer that?
MR. HICKS: If we had a catastrophic situation like that it would
disrupt, break, topple, do all kinds of stuff to the water system, so that we
would really have to have a closed fund or be able to use all the revenues to
do the repairs that we possibly could. So closing it wouldn't have any effect
on that. And insofar as the general repairs to buildings, streets, roads, the
magnitude of money there, I would imagine you'd have to have federal grants to
help.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Brigham?
MR. J. BRIGHAM: Mr. Wall, my question is to you. And I personally think
I favor the closed system, but I'm kind of concerned that if for some reason
we did not generate the kind of revenues that we anticipated on the franchise
tax, if we was to close this system, the only way to reopen it then would be
to refinance these bonds?
MR. WALL: That's correct. And you have to recognize as well that you
are refunding a number of bonds, and insofar as those that are refunded
because of the current tax code, you would not be able to refund that portion
of this bond issue that you're refunding now. This is the last chance for
those bonds.
MR. J. BRIGHAM: That was going to be my next question. If we did close
it and wanted to refund it, at what intervals can we do that?
MR. WALL: Well, only the $42 million new money would be able to be
refunded. The balance of it, this is the last refunding that can be done with
regard to those monies.
MR. J. BRIGHAM: Okay. Can you rest any fears that you think that the
franchise tax will continue to generate the kind of revenues that we
anticipate, or do you anticipate that the new telecommunications bill will
affect those revenues in any way or?
MR. WALL: Well, let me address the telecommunications act. I mean, the
county has a franchise ordinance insofar as the cable television is concerned,
as does the city. The county's does not expire for another two to three
years, and I'm not sure exactly what it is. What we're attempting to do is to
negotiate with them in order to up that franchise fee and to do it on a short-
term basis because of the changing rules and regulations insofar as the
telecommunications industry is concerned. So I'm not sure that there's going
to be that -- you're talking about two cents and three cents is the current
rate: two cents in the city and three in the county.
MR. J. BRIGHAM: Maybe I went into telecommunications when I should
stick with franchise fees as to Georgia Power, Atlanta Gas, Jefferson
Electric. Do you think that those fees are likely to change anytime in the
near future?
MR. WALL: Well, certainly. I mean, you've adopted the new utility
franchise agreement insofar as the power company is concerned, and that's
going to generate a substantial amount of income that will begin to be
realized next year. And the fact that we now have franchise agreements that
have been accepted and approved by Georgia Power Company, Jefferson EMC,
Atlanta Gas Light, that are county-wide; I'm going to bringing before you KMC,
which negotiated one insofar as the city is concerned, they're offering to
make that same agreement applicable county-wide; and you're going to have some
other fiber optic companies coming into the county as a result of the changing
technology, that I think that you're going to have increased franchise fees,
and I think those are pretty well set at this point.
MR. J. BRIGHAM: Also, it's my understanding that the franchise fees are
for 50 years?
MR. WALL: The Georgia Power Company is 50 years, Jefferson EMC is 50
years, Atlanta Gas Light I don't remember, I thought it was 30 years.
MR. J. BRIGHAM: Okay. And the bond issue's duration is only 30 years?
MR. WALL: That's correct.
MR. J. BRIGHAM: So there's not -- any kind of law that would affect
those changes would be ex post facto?
MR. WALL: Well, not only is it an ordinance, it's a contract, so you've
got a contractual agreement with those companies.
MR. J. BRIGHAM: Okay. I'm just trying to rest some fears.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Todd?
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor, to Mr. Wall, do the act supersede the local
contract and agreements? And it's my understanding that the act pretty much
say that you got to charge the same. You got to have a fee, whether you do it
in a franchise fee or a users fee for that right-of-way uses, you got to
charge the same. So if you're charging one 3%, the other one can take you to
court and say, hey, you're charging me 4% or 5%. So those are my concerns,
you know, whether we're going to have any -- whether there's anything out
there in the dark from this act that's going to come and kick us a year down
the road or six months down the road.
MR. WALL: I don't think that there will be a loss of franchise fees.
If anything, there will be an increase in franchise fees.
MR. TODD: With the new franchise fees on fiber optics, et cetera, you
feel it'll be a new increase?
MR. WALL: Yes, sir.
MR. TODD: Okay.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Further comment, gentlemen? Mr. Zetterberg?
MR. ZETTERBERG: By closing it, it does limit our options, doesn't it,
downstream, in the out years?
MR. McKIE: Yes.
MR. ZETTERBERG: Although I support the reasons for closing it -- I
mean, I think that's noble. We've all said we want to operate it as an
enterprise fund. I think that the possibilities that we could end up having
some problems downstream are realistic, and so I think we would be very
prudent not to close the fund but at least have the intent of doing that as a
body.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Bridges, then Mr. Powell.
MR. BRIDGES: Mr. Mayor, I'm going to speak once again to closing it in
the Year 2000. I think it's critical. I think we've seen from past history
that the danger has not been that we need to leave it open so we can dip into
the fund, the danger is that we left it open and we did dip into the fund.
That's been the past history here, and that's what we need to consider. And
I'd strongly urge this board -- I think they'd be making a critical financial
mistake for us and for future governments if you leave this system open. I
think the most reasonable and prudent measure financially is to close this
system after the Year 2000. That way we bypass having to increase taxes in the
city, yet we have an enterprise fund that extends these water and sewer lines
and repairs them. The money is there and it hadn't been taken out to fund
other projects. So I'd really encourage the board to take what I think and
truly believe is a responsible fiscal step and close that system after the
Year 2000.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Powell?
MR. POWELL: Mr. Chairman, we've made moves in the past to close the
Landfill. We made that an enterprise fund. That was a good idea, it's
working out wonderfully. We need to take the same steps to protect our water
revenues, and we owe it to the citizens to be fiscally responsible.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Further comment, gentlemen?
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor, I just want a clarification, if I may. When we're
saying tax avoidance for the city we're not talking about what the language
was several weeks ago, tax avoidance for the urban service district, we mean
the city and we mean from county line to county line with the exception of
Hephzibah.
MAYOR SCONYERS: That is the new city, that's correct. Yes, sir.
MR. TODD: Thank you. I wanted that for the record.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Right. Do we have any citizens that want to make a
comment or anything at this time?
MR. CUNNINGHAM: Mr. Chairman, this is the event of my life. I've
worked all my life for just what y'all are doing here today.
CLERK: Give us your name, Mr. Cunningham.
MR. CUNNINGHAM: I'm George Cunningham, in case anybody don't know who I
am. This water system has been a bugaboo, and I'm so proud that y'all are
here today to do this thing. I wanted to see it, I've prayed for it, I've
done everything that I knew to get it. But it's not a life or death
situation. Your Attorney there will tell you, every time you sign for
liability insurance on your automobile or your grandchildren come up and you
take them in -- this thing here, the next government can take and make changes
as they see fit. So we don't have to take and dot the I's, but what you don't
want to do is do like the city done back years ago with perpetual care in the
cemeteries. They took $125 and then when you come along you got to take and
keep the cemeteries clean and ain't got the power to raise the money.
So for God sakes, go ahead and pass it either way. It's not going to be
a life event thing. And both sides have points, but let's get this thing
going. Let's get this out of the way so we can get ahold of something other
else. You've got so damn many problems that you need to get ahold of
something else. Let's finalize this one and let it go. Thank you, sir.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Thank you, Mr. Cunningham. Mr. McKie?
MR. McKIE: I'm sorry I put that $2 million in there now. I left it
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at that strictly to give the governing body some flexibility because I didn't
feel that I could forecast four or five years down the road or for the rest of
the term of the bond issue that you might need that for something. $2
2
million represents one mill of taxes. It represents on a $259 million budget,
what, 1%.
The traditional interest rate, inflation adjusted, is 3%. There are
three components to an interest rate that you pay: there's the true rate of
interest, which economists will tell you is about 3%; there's the inflation
component, which right now is about 3%; and there's market risk, and then
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there's customer risk. So we're expecting interest rates of 5-3/4 to 6. So,
theoretically, the rate that we're going to pay has negative risk for us.
It's less than the true rate plus the inflation rate. Now, certainly a
credit manager would look at a closed system and say this represents less risk
for the bond holders, for the insurers, and so therefore I won't charge as
much insurance premium or I might not charge as much -- we might be able to
sell the bonds at a lower rate. But you have to look at the size of it as
well. 2 is not a lot, and I just don't think that it would --while it's a
2
factor, I don't think that it would make a great deal of difference either
way. I certainly -- it's not going to be $2 million a year, you know, in
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terms of entry cost or anything like that, so it's just going to be a matter
of personal preference and whether or not you want to leave yourself some
flexibility in the future.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Well, Mr. McKie, that can also be put back into Water
Department funds, can't it?
MR. McKIE: Oh, yes, sir. This language does not say you have to do
that, it says you may do it. If you don't positively elect to do it, it stays
right where it is. So you will have to vote to make this transfer, and any
other government will, too.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Otherwise it will automatically be deposited there.
MR. McKIE: Yes, sir, it will stay in the Waterworks unless it's
positively moved out.
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor, I'd like to amend the substitute motion to state
that it will be $1 million after the Year 2000, per year, the maximum that can
be transferred.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Okay. Is that all right with you, Mr. Mays?
MR. MAYS: I'm going to lose with this deal all the way around today,
so, hell, I might as well go along with it. Can I ask this, Mr. Mayor, while
we're under discussion? And I'm going to be very brief with it, but I guess
I'm going to express this opinion from the non-expert sitting here because
probably I'm the only one that doesn't understand everything that's written in
this total thing here.
Now, we've taken professional advice from a lot of folk today. And this
is a very important, it's a very herculean task, and I don't think anybody who
maybe has a slight difference of opinion wants to be in a position of not
being fiscally responsible. But now, if on everything other than this one
paragraph that's got us hung -- and basically it's been on what to a certain
extent we as policymakers have not put together, and we're basically relying
on counsel and upon our folk in Finance. I'm going to ask, like I did
when we finally got a chance to correct the water rates that I thought we
rushed to make such a great amendment to the bill and found out that we'd made
one hell of a catastrophe and didn't know how we got there. I don't think we
can do the same thing with this and say we don't know how we got there. I'd
like to ask them, whether it's Butch or Jim, from the standpoint of originally
drawing up this document obviously there had to be a reason for leaving the
flexibility -- and probably it may be redundant on what you just said Butch,
but obviously there has to be a reason for that being put in that way and
having the experience of having gone to New York before to deal with other
projects in that manner. I don't think it would have been put there from the
standpoint of we thought we were going to run the risk with the bond people of
it being rejected. I would hope in a consolidated government that the
fires of two old governments aren't still burning and that's what's driving us
to deal with one system or another one. Because, you know -- no, I'm not
saying that from you all drawing it up, I'm saying that from us on this side
of the fence, because every reference that's being made is being made to
something that somebody else did in another government and how they got there.
And probably if you got to that point you could go A, B, C, D, and not just
deal with what was transferred out of Waterworks, you probably could deal with
other monies that were dealt with that were maybe more recklessly done than
what was done in Waterworks. And I just wanted to say that, that I hope at
some point, wherever we were last year on consolidation, that now that we've
got there, that we'll deal with it with that type of mentality and not one
that's in the past that got another government in that predicament.
MR. TODD: Mr. Mayor, I call for the question.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Mr. Powell had his hand up first. Mr. Powell?
MR. POWELL: Mr. Chairman, I'd just like to give Mr. Mays a point of
information. When he's talking about the water rates being a hell of a
catastrophe, he needs to open up his engineering report and look on Page 16.
Augusta-Richmond County has got the lowest water rates.
MR. HANDY: Now we call for the question, Mr. Mayor.
MR. MAYS: Well, if it wasn't a catastrophe, Mr. Public Works Chairman,
I don't think you would have admitted to not knowing why. And I believe that
statement is in print and on audio that we basically didn't know what we were
doing, and I'm basically quoting it from the ten --eight people who voted for
it.
MR. HANDY: Call for the question, Mr. Mayor.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Okay. Mr. McKie, I want you to explain to the press
and all the folks here what it cost us to do this bond issue and the parties
involved and how much money is involved so everybody will be up and
aboveboard.
MR. McKIE: If we can go to the section early on in the book, Page 9,
we'll be able to pick those numbers up from Page 9, 10, and 11.
MR. POWELL: Which book, Mr. McKie? You had about three out here today.
MR. McKIE: I'm sorry. My little blue-bound book.
MR. POWELL: Okay.
MR. MAYS: We've got an expert, it don't make no difference.
MR. McKIE: Mr. Mayor, there are two components of cost of issuance.
One, there's a -- what I'll call a above-the-line cost. That shows up in the
sources of original issue discount. That's a combination of what the discount
is given to brokers who sell the bonds and any difference between our rate and
the market rate. So that's the first element of cost. The second --
MR. HANDY: That's 3,714,000?
MR. McKIE: Yes, sir. All right, the second element of cost is composed
of three numbers on the bottom. Cost of issuance, $1,327,033. That's an
estimated number. Insurance premium, $495,626. That's to ensure that these
will be triple-A bonds, and it incidentally buys the rate down. And that's an
analysis that will be done with ourselves and Robinson-Humphrey and presented
to you before we buy the insurance, because if it doesn't buy it down low
enough that we save more in interest than the premium, then we don't do it.
And the surety bond is to make sure the escrow is paid off.
Now, the cost of issuance -- and that will be the same on each of these
three issues; okay? So if we look at that, that's estimated $1.3 million
there, the next page over is $70,600, and 112 on the last issue. So that's
192 -- roughly $1.5 million is what's been estimated. I really don't think
that it's going to be that high. This composed of cost on two sides of the
issue: our side where we're issuing the bonds; that's legal fees, financial
advisor fees, cost of printing, any travel that's done, out-of-pocket costs
for Robinson-Humphrey. I'll have to work those out individually and get you
the -- and, incidentally, those will be presented individually to counsel
before any of them are approved, so that's -- these are estimates right now.
And that we can do. Now, out of the bond issue, the underwriter's cost also
comes as well, which is their side of the legal. I think that's 75. Jim, is
that right?
MR. WALL: Yeah.
MR. McKIE: So I'll have to work these up in detail for you.
MAYOR SCONYERS: And are we about even, under, high or low? Where are
we at compared to the costs that some of the other people have quoted us?
MR. McKIE: I'll have to break out the different components because we
haven't had quotes from everybody.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Okay. I just want the public to know that what we're
doing is straight down the line.
MR. McKIE: Oh, yes, sir, those will be presented and will be public
information. These are just estimates here.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Okay. Mr. Powell?
MR. POWELL: Mr. Chairman, are those going to be made public information
before or after we vote on this thing?
MR. McKIE: Before you vote on issuing the bonds. You're voting tonight
on the resolution to issue bonds.
MR. HANDY: Call for the question, Mr. Mayor.
MR. McKIE: That'll be at the next meeting.
MR. POWELL: Okay. Thank you, Mr. McKie.
MR. HANDY: Time is running out.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Okay, the substitute motion first, made by Mr. Todd.
Do you want to re-read Mr. Todd's motion so we know exactly what the motion
was, please?
CLERK: The substitute motion by Mr. Todd was to adopt as is, with an
amendment that only $1 million after the Year 2000 as the maximum be
transferred.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Okay. Mr. Wall?
MR. WALL: Just so that I'm clear, is that in the Year 2000 and after?
Because that was Mr. Bridges' original motion was in the Year 2000, or is it
after the Year 2000?
MR. TODD: After the Year 2000.
MR. WALL: After the Year --
MR. TODD: Yes. Wasn't that initially what was in the resolution, after
the Year 2000, or was it in the Year 2000?
MR. WALL: In the Year 2000.
MR. TODD: Well, we'll amend the after to in the Year 2000, $1 million
per year.
MAYOR SCONYERS: All in favor of Mr. Todd's motion, let it be known by
raising your hand, please.
MR. BRIDGES VOTES NO. MR. H. BRIGHAM AND MR. KUHLKE OUT.
MOTION CARRIES 7-1.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Anything else, gentlemen?
MR. WALL: Mr. Mayor, I have a personnel matter I need --
MAYOR SCONYERS: Yes, sir. We have a quick personnel matter that we
need to take care of right now. It's most important.
MR. HANDY: Do you need a motion to adjourn or you already got it?
MAYOR SCONYERS: Let's have a motion to go to a personnel meeting.
MR. POWELL: So move.
MR. MAYS: Second.
MAYOR SCONYERS: All in favor, let it be known by raising your hand,
please.
MR. H. BRIGHAM AND MR. KUHLKE OUT.
MOTION CARRIES 8-0.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION, 6:36 - 6:45 P.M.]
MAYOR SCONYERS: We have an announcement to make tonight, that effective
this afternoon Mr. Estabrook -- well, actually effective tonight, I just got
it a few minutes ago. Mr. Estabrook has withdrawn his name from the
Administrator of Augusta-Richmond County, so we're back to ground zero again.
And I will give y'all a copy of his announcement if you so desire.
MR. BRIDGES: Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to adjourn.
MR. HANDY: Second.
MAYOR SCONYERS: Thank you. That's a non-debatable motion. All in
favor of the motion to adjourn, let it be known by raising your hand, please.
MOTION CARRIES 8-0.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:46 P.M.
Lena J. Bonner
Clerk of Commission
CERTIFICATION:
I, Lena J. Bonner, Clerk of Commission, hereby certify that the above is a
true and correct copy of the minutes of the Called Meeting of Augusta-Richmond
County Commission held on October 21, 1996.
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Clerk of Commission